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Tuesday, May 3, 2011

A Review of Political Talk Show Hosts

I’m going to briefly review some of the popular political talk show hosts in America. I divide them into

ed Meat Radicals with Charm

Red Meat Screaming Radicals with No Charm, Cheerleaders Blinded by Agenda, His Agenda is Himself, Rational But with a Clear Agenda, and The Great Communicator.

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I Listen to Them All

I consider it my duty, and that of all Americans, to consider both the left and the right. We have two parties for a reason. Each is correct. Each is wrong. Choosing sides is natural, and okay. Making decisions based solely on purist thinking is not a good thing. The world is complex.

Red Meat Radicals With Charm

Rachel Maddow, Glenn Beck

The first two of these political talk show hosts are vision-impaired by their views of the world. They ignore facts that don’t support them, and seek only evidence that proves they’re right. They demonize their opponents.
Rachel Maddow

They are also, however, charming, entertaining, and sometimes funny.

Both are demagogues. Maddow is pedestrian and common. Beck though, approaches mythic proportions, because he has the huge ideas, some of which work, like the Restoring Honor rally on the Washington Mall. Both are good for the nation, and bad for the nation.
Glenn Beck

Both often get their facts right, with good research. Beck is the finest researcher in American politics. Both, however, misinterpret the facts they find with their top-notch research, Maddow blinded by progressivism, and Beck by his conspiratorial paranoia.

Should we listen to them? Yes, but not on a daily basis. It’s worth checking in to see what they’ve uncovered. You won’t find what they broadcast anywhere else on the media. But, it’s not a good idea to get sucked into their visions of the world, which are dark and warped versions of the truth.

One small note on Beck

See my previous Truth articles on him, Beck, Palin, and the Tea Party and The Fall of Glenn Beck, in which I explain more of how I feel about him. I just saw one of his shows two days ago, and it was wonderful. He was concerned about what liberals are doing to our kids through the education system. He was spot on, but this time without his usual end of times foreboding. He was actually working with parents and educators on how to fix the situation.

This is the persona he ought to keep forever, instead of the Huey Long firebrand warning everyone to avoid stocks and buy gold and food insurance. I have little hope for this, however. Beck seems to be getting more religious and end of times, more radical, and more Huey Longish with every passing day.

Ann Coulter, Michelle Malkin

Ann Coulter
Coulter is charming, funny, outrageous, and often correct. I find her more grounded than Maddow or Beck. She is outrageous, and says truths that pinpoint exactly who liberals are today. She’s not a demagogue, as she comes close to the truth always, and is entirely sincere. She doesn’t say anything to gain an audience. Is she ever wrong? Yes, as when she opposes unemployment insurance extensions.

Michelle Malkin
Malkin is similar to Coulter in every way. Both are attractive, intelligent, and rigid.

Should we listen to them? Yes. All the time, even if we disagree with them. They are brilliant, funny, charming, entertaining, and all their views touch truth.

Red Meat Radical Screamers with No Charm

Keith Olbermann, Michael Savage, Mark Levin

Keith Olbermann
All three are the screamers, and none of them have any charm. They are unpleasant, hate-filled, and dogmatic. Olbermann is on the far left, and Savage and Levin on the far right.
Michael Savage
Mark Levin

Should we listen to them? Yeah. Force yourself once in awhile to hear them. They do speak truth often, but go so far that they exclude truth from the rest of the spectrum. And, they hate.

Cheerleaders Blinded by Agenda

Ed Schultz, Lawrence O’Donnell

Ed Schultz
Lawrence O'Donnell
I find Schultz and O’Donnell insufferable. But the left love them.

They are also guys who hate, but they at least don’t scream all the time. They are totally blinded by their leftist agenda.

Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity

Rush Limbaugh

Limbaugh is the king of talk radio. He is a genius. He is the one who converted me to conservatism. A great and good man. Rush is funny too, and irreverent. But, he is totally blinded by his agenda. Obama is always wrong, and conservatives are always right. I do buy his vision for a conservative America, but I don’t subscribe to his complete rejection of things like unemployment insurance and the social safety net. He goes way too far.

Ditto with Sean Hannity. They are both charming. One of the things I dislike about Sean and Rush is that I can predict every word out of their mouths. They believe the “invisible hand” of Adam Smith will solve all the world’s problems, and that isn’t true. It’s partly true. Lower taxes and charity will help the poor. But charity will not pay the rent for people who are unemployed. They go too far, and are blinded by agenda.

Should we listen to them? Yes, frequently. They are two of the best spokespersons for their point of view. And, they are often correct. Just don’t join their religion, which is pure Darwinian conservatism.

His Agenda is Himself

Dylan Ratigan
I’ve followed Dylan Ratigan for years. He used to be the host of Fast Money. He’s always been a know it all who used to sound conservative when he was among the investment crowd, but has converted to hardcore liberalism now that he has his own show on radically liberal MSNBC. How anyone who knows business can be liberal I can’t imagine.

Should we listen to him? Yeah. He’s bright. He’s got good guests. You can learn some things from him. Just don’t make him your American Idol.

Rational But with a Clear Agenda

Chris Matthews, Dennis Prager, Michael Medved, and Larry Elder

With Matthews on the left, and Prager, Medved, and Elder on the hard but cogent right, all are principled representatives of their viewpoints. All are rational, except for Matthews 40% of the time.

Chris Matthews

Why do I include Matthews then in the rational crowd? Because he can certainly be reasonable, and will surprise you often with his fair opinions. It’s just when he gets off into calling Tea Partiers racists, or saying that it is his job to ensure Obama succeeds that I want to throw rocks at the TV.
Dennis Prager

Prager and Medved are two of the most reasoned talk show hosts in America. I don’t agree with them on some issues, like unemployment insurance, but I do share many of their other views.
Michael Medved
Larry, a black conservative, I absolutely love, and especially that he is charming, funny, fair, and rational. However, he is a Libertarian, and I disagree with this party on many issues. Again, unemployment insurance, and others.
Larry Elder

Should we listen to all these? Absolutely, often. You will learn a great deal, and feel good about humanity.

The Great Communicator

Joe Scarborough is the only honest political talk show host who is able to enter into the worlds of both the left and right, while maintaining a basically consistent personal philosophy. He is far from the late William F. Buckley in intelligence, and even much below Prager and Medved, but he’s fairly smart.

He is a conservative, but is named a RINO by the hard right. For example, he will often bash conservatives for calling Obama a socialist, and so on. So, he thinks being honest is cruel, and politically suicidal.
Joe Scarborough
Obama is a socialist. There, I’ve said it.

Still, of all the talk show hosts, Scarborough can actually understand the need for both the left and the right, which is my position, and which is essential in a functioning America. Too bad we’re a minority in holding that view.

The Battle Goes On

Republicans won the last election for a reason. And, Obama is none too popular now that people have gotten to know his radical leftism and Chicago style politics.

Still, rational progressives do have a point against this Republican House, and especially the new members of congress. They are cruel proponents of survival of the fittest, when they could settle for just being fiscally rational. It’s an old argument that began even as far back as the election of 1800, when Federalist John Adams ran against states’ rights Jefferson. Progressives versus the Tea Party.

Listen to all the talk show hosts. Just know whom it is you’re listening to, and what their strengths and weaknesses are.

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Kyle Thomas said...

Hey. Thanks for following me on twitter @kt_production

Great blog

Kyle Thomas said...

Hey. Thanks for following me on twitter @kt_production

Great blog

LindaG said...

Excellent, well thought out and developed blog post on the Political Talk Show Hosts. Maybe there is a reason to occasionally listen to those with whom we don't agree, and sometimes don't even like!

Anonymous said...

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Rock said...

I'm always interested in the first reactions on a blog post. I appreciate, Linda, your kind comment and your inclination to listen even to those with whom you disagree.

Since I don't have anyone with whom I entirely agree, either I don't listen, or I open my mind at least to hear!

Take care!

Rock said...

BTW, Linda, I don't find your username on Twitter. Do you have an account?

Unknown said...

Well formulated blog with in-depth commentary. Truly look forward to reading more... Thank you for following @JimAllred70
My opinion on talking heads: Most talk show hosts speak with reckless abandonment of reality or consequences. Only after you have faced the ugly required compromise of governance should you expect others to believe you. No bruises; no talk.

R.J. Fico said...

I do not adhere much to the doctrines of any set religion. Spiritually, I'm at the helm. Politics, a way of the world, at times I must take a stand, but not one that I find to be incorrigible. I'm against a lot of what is taking place in the world, and a lot of what I witness saddens me, really it does. Again, a simple philosophy: "I cannot carry the world on my shoulders but on my shoulders it is my world that must carry me." I wrote that for reason. I cannot worry as much as I once did about what happens outside my window.

RAFrenzy said...

First time reader. Thanks for telling it like it is -- or how you see it. I tend to agree with you although I think Ann Coulter comes across as vain, or maybe I just see it that way 'cause I'm a woman. But that's nitpicking. She does call some things well, and I can certainly overlook the hair tossing to appreciate that.

I thought about posting this as my other id, but hey, I'm running with this one. It's been a great stress reliever from all the political crap my head absorbs.


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3rd Dog said...

Very entertaining! Kudos and keep up the great work. @BA777one

Anonymous said...

Hi Rock,

I'd say you have great insights & your blog is well laid-out & thoughtful towards the varied personalities that may come across it. I'm @suzabrams on Twitter but don't worry at all about the Retweets, please.
I'm glad I came here and will be back more often.
susan abraham

Russ said...

Rush Limbaugh gone to far? Surely not?!

Rock said...

Thanks, Suzie, for your comment. Appreciate the compliment. Do come back!

Rock said...

Russ, by the way you said that, it sounds like you are oblivious of people like Maddow and Schultz "going too far" as well.

Rock said...

By the way, Russ, lovely blog. What a lot of work you've done on that, and very intricate and sophisticated material.

Rock said...

Thanks, RAFrenzy. I can see understand how you feel about Ann Coulter. One thing that bothers me about her is that she seems very happy to be attacked, and is in fact disappointed if she is not.

And her motive is commercial. The more they hate her, the more money she makes. So, when there's no "action" on an interview, she'll try and be even more inflammatory, and then gets a reaction, and beams.

This makes me wonder if her ideals are the important things, or her bank account.

Oh well, that's her prerogative I guess. :)

Rock said...

R.J. Fico, very thoughtful comments, and I thank you. I think artistic people, myself included, do feel things deeply, and this includes the sadness from the state of the world, and politics.

Humans seem to make a mess of things much of the time. So, taking joy in art and expression is perfectly rational, and a good thing.

We thank you for finding your best self and for giving us beauty.

Rock said...

Jim, thanks for your thoughtful comment. In a sense, I agree with you about talking heads. However, even people who have had to compromise in making laws go on to become demagogues despite this, in order to get votes or gather viewers. The thing I hate most is politicians or talking heads throwing red meat to their followers just to get ratings, money, or votes, without any examination of what is good for the people.

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@Minicards_FFM said...

The today's media is used to manipulate the masses into doing what the governments and corporations want them to do. The masses think they are acting of their own free will, but they were often cleverly led along the path to the decisions that they were meant to make. Any policy of any government in this world is a fake...All the talks about a "truthful" policy is a redoubled fake.

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Mikatabita said...

I listen to only 2 people.Glen and Savage.I had a feeling earlier on that Glen was going down and it happen.I like Savages no nonsence approch.But when he start saying things like putting dynamite in Iraqi prisoners orifices and dropping them 35 000 feet from plane I washed my hands.He prob did it for the shock factor.But too much hate.

Very acute observations.Well done

Rock said...

Mikatabita, thanks for your honest comments. I still listen to Beck sometimes, and would listen to Savage on occasion if I had the chance. He seems to have disappeared from my stations.

But, I agree with your assessments. In one sense, it must be a joy to say exactly what's on your mind, which politicians can't do. On the other hand, gaining followers by pure red meat can lead one away from truth.

Well, at least we live in interesting times!

Take care!

Rock said...

Gladaman left a new comment on the post "Towards an Activist Conservatism": But I can't find it there, so I'm re-publishing it here

I don't think a nation can reach it's full potential if many of it's citizens are left behind. I don't believe that the promise of democracy & freedom is realized if economic disparity & different learning styles are ignored. In a dog eat god, survival of the fittest we are taken back to pre-civilization times. All that we have gained is from different people respecting each-others different role in society. Everyone doesn't have to be a warrior. Everyone doesn't have to be a scientist. Civilization is not only based on working with others but requires that we know, understand and build on the thoughts and achievements of past generations. This world is killing innovation, creativity, artists & humanity generally. Soon all that will be left are the morally, intellectually, creatively, bankrupt wealthy few being served & entertained by machines. Civilization can't continue to exist & progress with the contributions of all it's members. Democracy is a farce it many of the members of society cannot pursue happiness with any hope of success. Think of all the potential artists, scientists, innovators, statesmen, etc. who we never benefit from because their contributions didn't fit into the narrow accepted paradigm. Society & government need a more human face because we aren't a bunch of machines. I pray for a more just society.

Rock said...

I was struck by the heartfelt cogency of your comment.

Your blog likewise, Constitutional Monarchists' Advocate is full of the same cogent heartfelt pleas to the universe. I share your views and sadness. Unfortunately, I have come to the conclusion that the arts also are part of the mix of survival of the fittest.

One example is Andy Warhol. He was a "failure" for years until he literally changed his image. He got that blonde wig, sunglasses, and a new persona, the sophisticated on the inside Everyman on the outside, who is a total nutcase. It worked. He then became commercial.

Van Gogh and many other artists live in poverty, unrecognized. It isn't fair, since they contribute so much to the beauty of our world.

I don't think we can become bitter, though. Struggling does produce masterpieces, if we see it through.

As for governments, there is no Utopia. As they say, democracy stinks, except when compared with every other form of government.

Take care.

By the way, on Twitter I'm @RockyII I was looking for your Twitter user name and couldn't find it. I'll look in my messages.

Again, thanks for your comments, and for this blog!

Sally A Wolf said...

Well your blog is very insightful and interesting you have some good points. I understand the need to listen to people but fallow them blindly.

Charles Lominec said...

Excellent observations. I’d be interested in your take on Neal Boortz who has a more Libertarian slant. I find I can only take these people (including Boortz) in small doses. Whatever truth they may express often becomes eclipsed by their ego. I like your blog and will be subscribing. I’m on twitter @ImperatorBellum.

Rock said...

Thanks much, Charles! I agree with everything you said. I definitely am not a Libertarian, although I sympathize with some of their views. I also don't like zealotry in political talk show hosts. I want them to have a basic philosophy, but I want to see that they can think about specific problems too, without reference to a belief.

I reject all blanket statements, like "cutting spending is good." Cutting spending is good sometimes, for some things. Raising spending is good at other times, for other things. Overall, yes, I want a cost benefit assessment, and as little spending as possible. But for some things, like investment in infrastructure, it is so necessary that we need it to compete with China et al, so I don't mind spending for it.

Thanks, Charles. I love reasonable, intelligent people.

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Rock said...

Anonymous, I see your comment in my email, but not here. Blogger screwing up again.

Je crois que l'un qui se consacre infatigablement à un sujet seul, peut devenir expert. Merci pour votre commentaire gentil !

Spoon said...

I agree with you for the most part. Levin has a legal mind, and paints damning cases consistently. Otherwise, the demagoguery run rampant on both sides. Ratigan is a chameleon, he sides w/ Ron Paul on time and then Bernie Sanders or Schumer the next ...

Rock said...

Thanks, Un-Planner, for another great comment. Are you on Twitter?

Anyway, I like Ratigan and I don't like Ratigan. Most of the time he grates on me. He goes on and on, even just asking a question. You're right, he is a chameleon.

Have a good one!

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Igor said...

C'mon, Rock!

5 years on and you are still locked into dem/rep, lib/cons, black/white world view? And you still think that there is ANY (major) difference between democratic and republican parties?

I thought better of you! C'mon, move on already!


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Rock said...

Igor, a voice from the past. My memory fails me a bit. I can't remember your philosophy. This comment, though, I see ignores what I wrote, IMO. I'm just the opposite of what you say. I have a foot in both camps.

Just because I have clear opinions doesn't mean I'm into black/white dem/rep. In fact, as I say often, I think we need both wings.

I also think we in America need to mature in our thinking so that we do leave these polarities. I prefer solving problems with whatever works.

The problem, then, though is that you can become like Arnold and have no principles at all.

George W said...

Oh, I think I'm gonna like this. If you were to pick out of all the people in the world one person who is the most unpolitical, and it wasn't me, then somewhere back between Rachel Maddow and "comment on this blog" I fell asleep and slipped through the hole in your data gathering net. I demand a recount. I am the most unpolitical.

However, yours is a compelling blog, and just as you say we should give all the talk show hosts a chance, I'm gonna stick around a while -- if you don't mind. I'm gonna sample your blog regularly (bookmarking it), but you go ahead, just try and make me a politically conscientious citizen. And, don't kid yourself: I can meander along verbally for hours making perfect sense without having an inkling of what in the hell I'm saying. No, my friend, nor will you. You have a horrendous challenge ahead of you, should you choose to accept it.

Bye for now.

Rock said...

George W, I don't blame you. I think we've all become disinterested readers in our Twitter age, and micro-blogging, Facebook era. Personally, I've had to force myself to get back into serious reading, as I do see the value over just watching TV, and reading micro-blogs.

I can't decide for you, though. I just think politics is fascinating, and worthy of intense attention in a democracy. But, there is so much out there. I trust your instincts for yourself.

Thanks for visiting, and for the honest comment!

John said...

There are two things that I know, being a Liberal Loony Left Wing Nut Case Myself---(1) Rock has the best and most entertaining blog on the Internet and is a favorite of mine---(2) That anorexic blonde political commentator with the foul mouth and the mean spirit is the bottomfeeder of the century and that is the kind she attracts--political bottom feeders.

But I do heartily recommend ROCK as great reading and I have his BADGE on my own blog and I am proud to have discovered THE ROCK!

P.S. I am following ROCK on DIGG now!

Rock said...

Thank you so much, John, for your very kind comments. I'll have to learn what a badge is, I should know that by now. I'll re-visit your fine blog right now too, and recommend it heartily to my followers.

Plus, I love your comment so much, I'm going to publish it on Twitter.

Thanks again.

Rock said...

John, I hope you don't mind, I borrowed your badge idea. It is beautiful. I give you permission to "borrow" from me at will. :)

Anonymous said...

That was quite a comprehensive review of the hosts.

I agree about the women, they are very vivacious.

In your first subcategory you say " are vision-impaired by their views of the world" but really, that goes for everyone, on some level, not just Beck and Maddow, not just talk hosts, but everyone.

I like how you say MUST hear. In a way you are right, but who has time, unless you are driving around all day.

Rock said...

I agree with everything you said. Except, I am the only person in the world who is not "vision-impaired." LOL!

Just kidding. But, actually, I don't agree on this point. Beck and Maddow twist facts to fit their theories. Prager doesn't. I don't. Medved doesn't. These see the world and judge by the facts, and come to conclusions. New facts lead to different conclusions.

I agree, only in my case do I cross both liberal and conservative lines, but there are others like me. Again, like Joe Scarborough. We both happen to wind up on the conservative side of issues most of the time, but not always, depending on the issue.

And, I assume since you and I have some things in common, that you are a similarly independent thinker. Yes, you might be more liberal or conservative, I don't know yet, but you allow new information in.

To Limbaugh, EVERYTHING Obama says is bad. That's absurd. To Maddow, EVERYTHING Beck says is bad. That's absurd.

Thanks much for the comment, and I appreciate your intelligence.

John said...

It might be alright to listen to talk show hosts that we may disagree with, but I would be careful about the amount of time spent with them because their vitriol (Especially those on the Right) is so designed as to "Hook" the emotional response and keep people engaged until the propaganda can sink in and become embedded in the sub conscious. When that happens, your free will has been compromised and your entire outlook may turn...that is one of Joseph Goebbels finest triumphs and the Right Wing is using it to good advantage in their efforts to obtain and keep permanent Theocratic Power in The USA. The women commentors on these shows? "Vivacious" you say? You call that ironed blonde with the anorexic, foul-mouthed, mean-spirited nature "Vivacious?" How about "Vicious!"

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BionicBlonde on Twitter said...

Comparing Rachel Maddow w/ G. Beck is comparing apples & coconuts. Maddow doesn't call for picking up guns & fighting in the streets.

Likewise comparing Olbermann w/ Limbaugh is not a real comparison. Limbaugh would like insurrection.

The big question for all elected officials: What are you doing to help your fellow Americans (not corporations & the super rich) have a better life? If you're working for helping all Americans, then you are in the wrong job!

Rock said...

Thanks for your comments, BionicBlonde. I love to have the liberal viewpoint respond, and respect the need for both the left and the right. Still, we disagree fundamentally.

Actually, I think Maddow and Beck are exactly alike. Both are wasted talents who could truly serve the people if they had open minds across the spectrum.

Limbaugh, though deeply flawed and blinded by his biases, is worth about 1000 Olbermanns.

And, corporations and the super rich are not villains. The rich have contributed to America, and corporations are how we got to the point of being able to afford the national defense required to defend your right to bash America.

I do blame the politicians, though. They don't fight for the rich and corporations. Rather, they fight for re-election, which unfortunately often conflicts with being moral, and yes, looking out for the people.

I also blame the American people, who choose sides, much as you have done, instead of getting educated on the issues. They listen to talk-show hosts and become mere cheerleaders and mindless mantra shouters.

I expect more from America. America ought to expect more from itself it if wants to survive.

Thanks again, and keep on fighting.

Anonymous said...

First I'd like to say thanks for following @JCnotPC! I understand what you're saying about Levin & Savage...they yell way too much. I am fans of both of them, up until the migraine begins, then I have to turn them off. Hannity's alright, but he's such a whiner sometimes and his voice goes right through me (and he looks like young Fred on the Flintstone Kids). Liberals are destroying our country & the liberal politicians are such an embarrassment/distraction. Awesome blog and your art kicks butt :)

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Nice blog!

Rock said...

Thanks, Anonymous, and for your Twitter follow. I half agree with you about Savage and Levin. Sometimes i like to listen to them, as they're spot on often. Just too angry and to repetitive.

Thanks for your compliments!

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Thanks, M., for your visit and you kind comment. Have a good one!

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Thanks, yukselkurt. You sound like that funny guy who made the movies, can't remember his name. Are you funnin' us? I'll follow your link. :)

Nadra said...

Great blog. An interesting approach to listening to both sides of the story!

Donatella Davis said...

Love your review of political talk show hosts. I think you are spot-on in your observations. Really interesting blog!

Rock said...

Thanks, Donatella. Love your smiling face and your attitude here and on Twitter!

Rock said...

Thanks much, Nadra. I appreciate your sensibilities. :)

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